New anti cheaters message from Cipsoft

[Josh]

What about flash client?

They have already announced on the forums that they intend to drop support for it entirely in the near future... Writing a bot for it now would be like writing a story with invisible ink.

Josh as always flawless in the technical analysis

Always... The fact is though, what I said is entirely accurate. I've re-read that post on about 5 separate occasions and can only conclude it to be true. There is no way that botting would ever be "impossible". Even if it comes to buying an Arduino and using that with some kernel debugging to gather information.

I don't know anything about BE, but I will not be surprised if it causes the end of public bots in Tibia (if they disallow virtualization).

Yes, you can control everything that happens in your computer, but it is not so easy to deal with a program that updates itself specifically to check for your modifications.

That said, I don't expect it to be able to stop people from making private bots.

In reality, what it will come down to is overall detect-ability. Right now the bots can be detected server-side, so being able to detect them client side is not all that useful, it just means the ban rate goes up so chars last less time. If it gets to a point where they are detecting which bits of software are nasty and doing these "sweeping bans" as they used to, only catching everyone instead of some people, then it just means we have to further improve how the bots work to make them less detectable through the old method. The thing is, they are not going to scan and analyse every single person who is playing the game, as the resources required would be insane. What I think they will do is use their existing detection algorithm to find out who is botting. Once they know who is botting from their existing detection, they will look at what software they have running on their PC to try to find the bot itself. Once they find it, they will run some hashing function to get a few "samples" from the bot, then scan all users computers for a binary with that hash. If they find it, they can then delete all of those users. The key fact here is that their old detection system will have to catch the first person in order for the rest of the botters to also be caught. So, the trick would be to create a new, unique bot which cannot be detected by pattern generation - that way the system will never know you exist, so it won't know how to catch you.

The only way we can bot now is using an external machine which interacts with mouse and keyboard, simulating a real human. That would be really expensive tho.

The external machine in this mechanism really doesn't need to be all that expensive. You could do it with an Arduino for about $20, or with a Raspberry Pi for around $35, or you could use some custom hardware such as the Intel NUC for around $300, or go ham and do it with a desktop Windows PC. It makes absolutely no difference which you use, except that setting up the Arduino will be difficult. The Pi is relatively easy to work with, and someone could easily build a bit of software to make it a lot easier. Generally speaking, though, there is no reason you couldn't achieve exactly the same results using either a virtual machine, an emulator, or a compatibility layer such as Wine.

if this BE will make often ban waves like they are doing in other games then botting may be not profitable in tibia anymore
what do you lose if you get banned on cheating in some fps game? ranking points and thats all? then you buy new account and cheat again
but if you lose your characters in tibia that you were making for months/years. it will be big lose cuz fresh account won't make you same profit as 150-300 lvls were doing before

the only thing we can hope is cipsoft will make it same long as they'r doing tibia11 so few years to make it working perfectly

idk what gonna be first
windbot 3 or battleye or half-life 3

People will, as suggested, just stop botting high level accounts. As for WindBot 3, it's basically done but the bugs in it are almost entirely crashes and they are kinda frequent, so it didn't reach release-worthiness in time. It will probably still happen in some form. The logic from it could be applied to almost any of the above mechanisms.

Tibia is going to bankrupt.

Ppl of my age dont have any time to play. We are old school.

probly 50% or more of premmium account are botters. That is the end for Tibia. For sure!

60k players to 15k players (of course minimum of 3k MC`s)

Trust me, the game is over after March.

They will lose a lot of money but 15k players paying €8 a month is still a metric fuckton of cash. They can also shutdown servers, remember, and they probably will. The company is relatively small and right now undoubtedly turns a large profit. I would also suggest that they have some money set aside ready to carry them through the financial depression, though.

It's actually only natural, also, that Tibia coins are purchased for in-game cash by botters. They will have to adapt NPC prices and the in-game economy to suit it, if bots don't exist. Try to find me one person willing to kill the mad mage enough times to loot the mage's cap or whatever it is for an addon... Nobody is going to do it because there are 25 waves each time you clean the goo, and the chance of looting it is less than 1.5%, so you have to kill over 1600 waves of shit just to get 1 item... Nobody is going to have enough cash to make it feel worthwhile, and certainly nobody is going to want to clean the place that many times for their own benefit.

[kimse]

Tibia is going to bankrupt..

I guess you've never bothered to look at their annual financial reports.
They've literally never made more money in a year than they did in 2015 (their last annual report) - 2016 report probably wont be released for another 11 months.

[laptopemail]

trolls plaxor

hahaha xD

[pedrofil]

If you only use windbot for autoheal when you teamhunting with your friends? Are you going to be banned aswell??

I NEVER use it with cavebot ONLY for autoheal.

[Kyyngpin]

Tibia is going to bankrupt.

Ppl of my age dont have any time to play. We are old school.

probly 50% or more of premmium account are botters. That is the end for Tibia. For sure!

60k players to 15k players (of course minimum of 3k MC`s)

Trust me, the game is over after March.

what a fucking mentality of this kid this is why tibia dont have a a good progress for peoples mentality like this niga

and by the way just my opinion talking about the threads topic. for my opinion nothing is impossible so here we go again tryna figure it out how to fix it up.


Nothing is impossible so it's hard work for the creators of the windbot. And if it is the end what? Even tho theres an end its correct but there is a beginning also, The new beginning of this bot.

[crashzin]

My opinion windbot will fix a way to go through the software, but if the software update from scratch with the version that was updated and the person has using the windbot will automatically be banned I do not know how the windbot team will do but it will be difficult, Before it was by update of each tibia that the windbot was updated now if the battleye update of nothing you will be banished this is my opinion.

sorry my bad english google translator

[skzbr]

Agree 100% with Josh.

I've seen a lot of people blaming me, but I'll bet that not even 10% of you have any higher education (brazilians), majority of braziilians that play Tibia are no-skill (education) , sorry, but this is the reality, and they dont have money. Im brazilin, but i`m engineer and i can do simple math to know that Tibia is over, the game is about to end.

Good luck everyone

They have already announced on the forums that they intend to drop support for it entirely in the near future... Writing a bot for it now would be like writing a story with invisible ink.



Always... The fact is though, what I said is entirely accurate. I've re-read that post on about 5 separate occasions and can only conclude it to be true. There is no way that botting would ever be "impossible". Even if it comes to buying an Arduino and using that with some kernel debugging to gather information.



In reality, what it will come down to is overall detect-ability. Right now the bots can be detected server-side, so being able to detect them client side is not all that useful, it just means the ban rate goes up so chars last less time. If it gets to a point where they are detecting which bits of software are nasty and doing these "sweeping bans" as they used to, only catching everyone instead of some people, then it just means we have to further improve how the bots work to make them less detectable through the old method. The thing is, they are not going to scan and analyse every single person who is playing the game, as the resources required would be insane. What I think they will do is use their existing detection algorithm to find out who is botting. Once they know who is botting from their existing detection, they will look at what software they have running on their PC to try to find the bot itself. Once they find it, they will run some hashing function to get a few "samples" from the bot, then scan all users computers for a binary with that hash. If they find it, they can then delete all of those users. The key fact here is that their old detection system will have to catch the first person in order for the rest of the botters to also be caught. So, the trick would be to create a new, unique bot which cannot be detected by pattern generation - that way the system will never know you exist, so it won't know how to catch you.



The external machine in this mechanism really doesn't need to be all that expensive. You could do it with an Arduino for about $20, or with a Raspberry Pi for around $35, or you could use some custom hardware such as the Intel NUC for around $300, or go ham and do it with a desktop Windows PC. It makes absolutely no difference which you use, except that setting up the Arduino will be difficult. The Pi is relatively easy to work with, and someone could easily build a bit of software to make it a lot easier. Generally speaking, though, there is no reason you couldn't achieve exactly the same results using either a virtual machine, an emulator, or a compatibility layer such as Wine.



People will, as suggested, just stop botting high level accounts. As for WindBot 3, it's basically done but the bugs in it are almost entirely crashes and they are kinda frequent, so it didn't reach release-worthiness in time. It will probably still happen in some form. The logic from it could be applied to almost any of the above mechanisms.



They will lose a lot of money but 15k players paying €8 a month is still a metric fuckton of cash. They can also shutdown servers, remember, and they probably will. The company is relatively small and right now undoubtedly turns a large profit. I would also suggest that they have some money set aside ready to carry them through the financial depression, though.

It's actually only natural, also, that Tibia coins are purchased for in-game cash by botters. They will have to adapt NPC prices and the in-game economy to suit it, if bots don't exist. Try to find me one person willing to kill the mad mage enough times to loot the mage's cap or whatever it is for an addon... Nobody is going to do it because there are 25 waves each time you clean the goo, and the chance of looting it is less than 1.5%, so you have to kill over 1600 waves of shit just to get 1 item... Nobody is going to have enough cash to make it feel worthwhile, and certainly nobody is going to want to clean the place that many times for their own benefit.

[Josh]

If you only use windbot for autoheal when you teamhunting with your friends? Are you going to be banned aswell??

I NEVER use it with cavebot ONLY for autoheal.

Impossible to say. CIP clearly state that any type of software which controls the client in such a way is illegal, so an auto healer could well result in deletion. With battleye, it probably will lead to deletion also.

[lulokinho]

Stop crying, no more botting. Windbot = Shit if you compare to B.E, Lucas is a botter guy, not a FBI hacker/cracker. HE WON'T cheat B.E... GET OVER IT BOTTERS

[RosseServices]

Stop crying, no more botting. Windbot = Shit if you compare to B.E, Lucas is a botter guy, not a FBI hacker/cracker. HE WON'T cheat B.E... GET OVER IT BOTTERS

Fucktard you've been registered to botting forums for 3 years.


/Rosse