Discussion: Botting Risks, Tips and Deletions

[Josh]

@shonflyn @Orimorfus
Definitely not worth to create accounts on 5minutesemails like 10minutemail.com, instantemailaddress.com etc
I started boting few months ago. I don't remember emails right now but lets say for example that I created 2 accounts (including not boted banker) on two emails from example domain SUPERmail.xyz and I created three accounts from EXTRAmail.xyz.
I boted without hardcore for 2 weeks maybe then I quit, so for sure I wasn't cipsofts target number 1 , now I'm starting again and I can see that banker and another bot from SUPERmail.xyz are deleted. So apparently SUPERmail should not be used and EXTRAmail is ok but Im sure they will block it when they spot it. Its against tibia rules to use disposable email so its obvious that they will update their list of forbiden emails from time to time. Some domains are blocked already and you simply can't create account on it. But thing is that there are new instant mail domains every day because many services, games etc bans them so ppl use new ones.
Your stats are good idea but if cipsoft isn't 100% stupid they adapt and change their methods constantly so stats might become inaccurate.

It's not very hard, just don't use disposable emails. There are 99999 popular and respected web pages on the internet that allows you to create mail account. Of course if you want to automate full afk 24/7 creation of 1000 noobchars then you have a problem
Cheers.

Edit:
I deleted info about banned chars from my notepad but I see that the ones that exists till now are emails [email protected]
but when I go to foxja.com its some Chinese page so I have no idea how the hell I created emails there. But its dispozeable for sure because its listed here: https://www.torvpn.com/en/disposable-email

There's nothing in the rules that says you're not allowed to use temporary mail sites. I also hugely doubt that any temporary email site is the reason for your deletions. In reality, they might use it as a first-stage detection mechanism, so anyone using guerrilla mail, supermail, extramail, etc will be observed to see if they are botting, but they cannot and would not delete you only for using a certain email domain.

Personally, I have a set of domains of my own which I use. I even have a Linux box set up at home which hosts all my mail servers. I'll soon be transitioning to run my main mailing accounts from it. It's much safer that way, since if they do use email domain as a "first sign" of botting, they are unlikely to add a custom domain to that list.

[Orimorfus]

There's nothing in the rules that says you're not allowed to use temporary mail sites. I also hugely doubt that any temporary email site is the reason for your deletions. In reality, they might use it as a first-stage detection mechanism, so anyone using guerrilla mail, supermail, extramail, etc will be observed to see if they are botting, but they cannot and would not delete you only for using a certain email domain.

Personally, I have a set of domains of my own which I use. I even have a Linux box set up at home which hosts all my mail servers. I'll soon be transitioning to run my main mailing accounts from it. It's much safer that way, since if they do use email domain as a "first sign" of botting, they are unlikely to add a custom domain to that list.

thats not true, they deleted even fair accounts with those mails, today i made 75 accs using .mswork domain and all accs are deleted even when i didnt start to login on them yet XD and I made every acc using different ip

[shonflyn]

There's nothing in the rules that says you're not allowed to use temporary mail sites.

Cipsoft don't care about their own rules anymore, since Guido and Stephan left cipsoft they are doing what they want, even if it is against their own rules.

Examples:

1 - Hundreds of people who have never used bots are deleted every month by their "automated tool" and have to complain by email to "maybe" receive the character back (example: Maurolkit deleted and undeleted).

2 - I created some characters using an "unknown" email, all deleted, even those that never used bot... Then I tested the same email on another computer, I created one account and get lvl 8 using my hands, no bot instaled, used an IP that never used bot to create and login, nothing wrong, the next day it was deleted.

3 - One of my accounts was banned for speaking at the forum that "selling tibia items out of the game is Legal, u just can not advertise it in the game" .... it IS LEGAL, but I was banned, you know why? "Influencing people to use BOT". LOL


ps: I was able to "undelete" one of my bank accounts complaining by email, because they saw that it was not a disposable email, lol.

[Josh]

Cipsoft don't care about their own rules anymore, since Guido and Stephan left cipsoft they are doing what they want, even if it is against their own rules.

Examples:

1 - Hundreds of people who have never used bots are deleted every month by their "automated tool" and have to complain by email to "maybe" receive the character back (example: Maurolkit deleted and undeleted).

2 - I created some characters using an "unknown" email, all deleted, even those that never used bot... Then I tested the same email on another computer, I created one account and get lvl 8 using my hands, no bot instaled, used an IP that never used bot to create and login, nothing wrong, the next day it was deleted.

3 - One of my accounts was banned for speaking at the forum that "selling tibia items out of the game is Legal, u just can not advertise it in the game" .... it IS LEGAL, but I was banned, you know why? "Influencing people to use BOT". LOL


ps: I was able to "undelete" one of my bank accounts complaining by email, because they saw that it was not a disposable email, lol.

1. That happens far less than you think it does.

2. How many is "some" accounts? If they will gain an average of 5 accounts per day from, for example, gmail accounts, then suddenly they will gain 500 accounts in 1 day all using gmail, it's obvious that most of those are bots. If someone will create a new account, they will most likely login immediately because why would they be creating it otherwise? So, if suddenly 500 accounts are created, only 4 of them are logged into, then yeah, they will delete them, because it's obvious as fuck.

3. Well, that's always been the case, even when all 4 founders worked there, people would get banned and they would revoke the ban afterwards because it's invalid. If you'd complained, it would've been revoked. The difference now is that it happens more because they don't have GMs to moderate statement reports and such, so those who are moderating them are having to work faster and less consistently than before.

Yeah, most people have had chars "undeleted", Maurolkit was a known botter for some time, if memory serves, but they probably couldn't satisfy themselves that the ban was justified when they were contacted about it.

[gondogando]

There's nothing in the rules that says you're not allowed to use temporary mail sites...

Well I didn't read the rules, I don't really care about them obviously, otherwise I would not use windbot

But I made a simple test.
1. Opened http://10minutemail.com/ and it generated [email protected]
2. Opened https://secure.tibia.com/account/?su...=createaccount
3. Put this email into Email field and move focus (click on other textbox)

Message is: This email address cannot be used to create a Tibia account. Please enter another email address!

You will see that there is a ajax validation on this field. You can't create account with this mail. It's forbidden. if you type any other address from this domain like [email protected] it will still show error. If you change domain and use [email protected] or [email protected] there will be no error. So clearly they don't want disposable emails. Clearly they have some black list and if they are not dumb 100% they must extend it constantly.

So guys make some effort and use legit emails :P

[shonflyn]

@XtrmJosh
I created like 60 accounts / day (divided into 20 different email domains).

I had like 1600 accounts deleteds in april (total).

And like 400 in march.

I had many chances to test what works and what delete my characters.

I am here in the forum only to help with information based on my testes, I don't need to answer those who do not believe, I always test before posting.

At the moment I can say that I know ALL the methods of ban and how to avoid most (some are impossible to avoid because they are manual checks).

From this moment on, I will not answer "unbelievers", I'll just post new information and ignore who "quote" me, I'm a massbotter, and I know what I'm talking about..

Cya...

[gondogando]

@shonflyn
dude if you know all the methods then post them, let us be happy massbotters too.

[SuNe]

There's nothing in the rules that says you're not allowed to use temporary mail sites. I also hugely doubt that any temporary email site is the reason for your deletions. In reality, they might use it as a first-stage detection mechanism, so anyone using guerrilla mail, supermail, extramail, etc will be observed to see if they are botting, but they cannot and would not delete you only for using a certain email domain.

Personally, I have a set of domains of my own which I use. I even have a Linux box set up at home which hosts all my mail servers. I'll soon be transitioning to run my main mailing accounts from it. It's much safer that way, since if they do use email domain as a "first sign" of botting, they are unlikely to add a custom domain to that list.

Well, They do mass delete everyone who makes accs via those sites, both non botted and botted, or even not logged in chars, and they do delete accs made via a personal domain aswell if a single char can be tied to botting/massbotting

[Monkica]

if u use any trash 10 min mails for create acc u will be banned faster then 2 days

I now use a trusted mail like gmail hotmail etc.

20 facc acc's 2 months safe

[Orimorfus]

@SuNe
does client sends info with some unique client id or PID?

some strange deletions are happening to my farm and I guess they can track massbotters using client lifetime
I bot 24/7 with selfmade highly randomized scripts, usually 4-6 accs with 1char/client and everything was fine before I managed to make it 100% afk (really 100%), so obviously I wasn't closing my clients for long time, sometimes even 30days straight
I was wondering why big part of my farm is beeing deleted when some accs remain untouched with same script ,pattern etc. Today I realized that cipsoft deleted only accounts that were running on clients with long lifetime and I came to clonclusion that maybe thats the problem and cipsoft is checking that
I can't imagine what else could cause deletions here to be honest