Discussion: Botting Risks, Tips and Deletions

[Krypto]

I think Oramond Tower is hotspot to get banned on EKs

[mgula]

[*]Ban Date? 18.06.2015[*]Ever Used Other Bot? NO[*]Server Type? RETRO[*]Used MC? Yes WindAddon[*]Minimized Tibia Client? Yes[*]How Many Bot Chars On The Account? 2[*]Botting Places? - Orc Thais by IMBA and Folda for FACC Mages[*]Botting Time? 3-8h Day[*]Mass Reported? Low Probability


I begin beacouse in fabrauary cipsoft deleted my main account.
In monday i start botting:
1.FACC 20 Sorcer 35 Knight Delete RETRO
2 FACC 105 Knight 68 Knight Optional Still Botting
3.PACC 50EK 30 ED RETRO Still Botting

[marqs]

Today I got banned on every account I had even 8 lvl mde in 2011 not logged in for 3 months. Had plenty of accounts I bought that was made 2010-2013 and even wasnt pleying on these are gone today. I think they banned every account that were connected from my ip or no idea what else could happen. Fuck theme they thing if they get rid of botters they will get more customers but the truth is 3/4 their customers are botters so they works for their loss. QQ /emo

[Jesseh]

Today I got banned on every account I had even 8 lvl mde in 2011 not logged in for 3 months. Had plenty of accounts I bought that was made 2010-2013 and even wasnt pleying on these are gone today. I think they banned every account that were connected from my ip or no idea what else could happen. Fuck theme they thing if they get rid of botters they will get more customers but the truth is 3/4 their customers are botters so they works for their loss. QQ /emo

Always try to not play on the same hardware your botted/non-botted accs, If you have any acc you care bot the other ones on a vpn or on a virtualbox, and let your main acc on your pc, connect via proxy on the bot ones. The problem isn't only IP related, it's hardware related too...

Randomize your waypoints, play it safe, etc.

[veritho]

1. Ban Date? 20/06/2015
2. Ever Used Other Bot? No
3. Server Type? Optional
4. Used MC? No
5. Minimized Tibia Client? No
6. How Many Bot Chars On The Account? 1
7. Botting Places? - Training with monks, selling green djinn stuff
8. Botting Time? - like 8-10 hours per day
9. Mass Reported? High Probability
10. Screenshot? This part is optional

I fell asleep while I was selling green djinn items (aproximately 143 pages) the char missed some items and didn't sell them, then he was just walking to djinn and do nothing and deposit nothing on bank,

I suggest people to never use the loot seller script because it does not have randomized waypoints, always walk the same way and alot of times depending on how many pages you have to sell (in my case my char walked 143 times the same path) sadly it was my main char, but I still have some good accounts

I had alarm when I was training with monks if a player appeared, and when I was at work I used the "close client" if a player appeared on my screen, so I don't think that could be the reason.

I sent a letter to CipSoft and they answered this:

Thank you for your request.

A check of your account has shown that unofficial software was used on it to play Tibia. We have reviewed the deletion carefully, but I am sorry to say we have found it was justified. I am afraid we are not prepared to revoke it.

Please note that we cannot give you any further details concerning the check procedure. However, rest assured that the deletion of your account was not based exclusively on reports by other players.

Please note that this is the last reply we can send you in this matter.

Kind regards,
Manina
Tibia Customer Support

That's all info I can give you guys, I don't play tibia because I got School 9:00am - 1:00pm, Gym 2:00pm - 4:00pm and Work 5:00pm 1:00am.. I'm busy the whole day, and weekends I'm with my boyfriend :/ but when I have time to play I like to be stronger than before...

[chri]

Ban Date: 25th of june 2015.
Ever Used Other Bot: Yes (However long before WindBot was created)
Server Type: Non-pvp
Used MC: Windaddons
Minimized Tibia Client: Never (90% of time unfocused though)
How Many Bot Chars On The Account: 1
Botting Places: Many places in Oramond, others
Botting Time: up to 10hrs a day, no more than 5 days in a week
Mass Reported: it's non-pvp so the probability was medium I'd say


My two cents for those interested in this matter: I consider playing up to 10hrs a couple days in a week a safe limit that a real player could handle (pger let's say). I used different scripts in places either crowded with other botters or rather empty ones. It happened many times that I was able to answer someone who visited me at spawn as I was near pc but there were people who suspected me of botting and I believe they reported me on purpose. I ALWAYS botted more than one char at the same time on the same server but different spots using WindAddons with low fps. Funny thing is that I got deleted only on one of my accs only while the rest remained safe.

Conclusions based on observations:

- I still believe that reports are the main reason of deletions (leads to further investigation of your char by cipsoft)
- I doubt it's about randomizing paths in your scripts. I have used plenty of scripts with the same walking pattern and it was fine for months
- pay attention to the bugs in scripts that can be treacherous; (example: I recently caught my char healing and wasting his pots being attacked by some shit mobs on the way to refill; the char was on 'only if trapped' mode but only two mobs attacked him and the char got lost on the way back simply- who knows, this could be the reason of my my deletion)

Anyways, this is my point of view.
Cheers and keep botting!

[Jesseh]

Ban Date: 25th of june 2015.
Ever Used Other Bot: Yes (However long before WindBot was created)
Server Type: Non-pvp
Used MC: Windaddons
Minimized Tibia Client: Never (90% of time unfocused though)
How Many Bot Chars On The Account: 1
Botting Places: Many places in Oramond, others
Botting Time: up to 10hrs a day, no more than 5 days in a week
Mass Reported: it's non-pvp so the probability was medium I'd say


My two cents for those interested in this matter: I consider playing up to 10hrs a couple days in a week a safe limit that a real player could handle (pger let's say). I used different scripts in places either crowded with other botters or rather empty ones. It happened many times that I was able to answer someone who visited me at spawn as I was near pc but there were people who suspected me of botting and I believe they reported me on purpose. I ALWAYS botted more than one char at the same time on the same server but different spots using WindAddons with low fps. Funny thing is that I got deleted only on one of my accs only while the rest remained safe.

Conclusions based on observations:

- I still believe that reports are the main reason of deletions (leads to further investigation of your char by cipsoft)
- I doubt it's about randomizing paths in your scripts. I have used plenty of scripts with the same walking pattern and it was fine for months
- pay attention to the bugs in scripts that can be treacherous; (example: I recently caught my char healing and wasting his pots being attacked by some shit mobs on the way to refill; the char was on 'only if trapped' mode but only two mobs attacked him and the char got lost on the way back simply- who knows, this could be the reason of my my deletion)

Anyways, this is my point of view.
Cheers and keep botting!

I understand that you believe on reports being the main tool for deletion, but unfortunately many people who never got reported, maybe never met another player on game got deleted. The thing about doing the same thing for months and suddenly getting deleted doesn`t explain much because we don`t know exactly how CIP selects the ones to delete, but it`s sure that CIP keep the records for everyone, deleting people who botted in past and didn`t even login since then for like 3 months or maybe older. Your repetitive behaviour may indeed trigger a further investigation, specially, as I was talking with an user, on places that you have many options to go to/from depot, i.e. ramps with more than 1 sqm. One example is the many people deleted on svargrond mines scripts, people who don`t randomize always use the same 1 SQM for going up/down the ramp near svar mines, when there are 12 SQM`s to choose from. That corroborate with papers regarding bot detection article. This is just speculation, of course, I don`t have any real proof that this avoids deletion, only having 1 acc using randomized scripts since ~february this year, non-deleted, and a brand new acc, created on beginning of June of this year, lvl 48 facc, very randomized script, reported and killed, but not deleted.

[arcavelar]

1. Ban Date? 27/06
2. Ever Used Other Bot? Yes/No - Yes, iBot for more than 4 months ago
3. Server Type? Open
4. Used MC? Yes/No - Yes, NeoMC
5. Minimized Tibia Client? Not minimized but not in focus too.
6. How Many Bot Chars On The Account? 1
7. Botting Places? - Killer Kaiman in months ago, after Brimstone Keeper and deleted at Brimstone Surface
8. Botting Time? Most of the times i stopped with stamina 20h, the char had some access and addons/mounts, not 0 achievemnts. Sometimes my stamina was full, sometimes i didnt bot full time, dont have a pattern.
9. Mass Reported? Medium Probability
   

Notes: I used this char to fight war sometimes, run roshamuul pk/chasing enemies.. wasnt just login-bot-logout. My other accounts on the same server that i bot in MC still active

[chri]

@Jesseh
Yeah, you could be right, I don't know how this detection tool works. Somehow I think if they stored the waypoints data of every signle character it would be easier to get the chars deleted faster than it is currently happening. A decent randomized script should have not only wpts randomization everywhere (at npcs, hunting grounds etc.) but also randomization of conversations, time of healing, randomization of time of looting, breaks between long hunting sessions and so far I haven't seen such script and yet there are many botters out there doing well. Maybe they know who cheats and who do not and they just play with us to keep the business going?

[Jesseh]

@Jesseh
Yeah, you could be right, I don't know how this detection tool works. Somehow I think if they stored the waypoints data of every signle character it would be easier to get the chars deleted faster than it is currently happening. A decent randomized script should have not only wpts randomization everywhere (at npcs, hunting grounds etc.) but also randomization of conversations, time of healing, randomization of time of looting, breaks between long hunting sessions and so far I haven't seen such script and yet there are many botters out there doing well. Maybe they know who cheats and who do not and they just play with us to keep the business going?

I agree, there are a lot of botters out there using standard scripts, I'm pretty sure many of them got already detected but not deleted due to business. As they already know many of the botters they can choose how to classificate the deleted ones, i.e. mass botters, MCers, long time onlines, etc. And with that they delete some here and some there, but eventually almost every detected player might get deleted in the future. What can we hope is, we already know that we got detected on the past, if CIP thinks our behaviour right now is of a non-botter they might choose to not delete us.

Most of the features you pointed I have on my private scripts, some features are on published ones, but a bit outdated. I started doing something like "Oramond Hunter" that would choose from many spawns, like I have on a "Venore Hunter" with 10 spawns to choose randomly from, only thing I don't have is random time of looting. But you are right, almost no one is interested on making not so efficient scripts, relying just on luck.