Discussion: Botting Risks, Tips and Deletions

[MrLovely]

After a little break I started to bot again. I put my 160 ek on Sea Serpents (south) at 2 a.m. and got deleted at 3 or 4 p.m. That's kinda crazy! There was only 1 guy in cave, also botting. I'm almost sure that no1 has reported me.
Also put some noob account 30+ knight on Salamanders Venore... and delete after 3 days. Cave was also almost empty most of the time.
Both accounts were on Retro-PvP.

Tell me please if botting has become less safe last time or I'm just so damn unlucky?

[lennert]

After a little break I started to bot again. I put my 160 ek on Sea Serpents (south) at 2 a.m. and got deleted at 3 or 4 p.m. That's kinda crazy! There was only 1 guy in cave, also botting. I'm almost sure that no1 has reported me.
Also put some noob account 30+ knight on Salamanders Venore... and delete after 3 days. Cave was also almost empty most of the time.
Both accounts were on Retro-PvP.

Tell me please if botting has become less safe last time or I'm just so damn unlucky?

i think ur rather unlucky* since there are more and more ppl on my gameworld hard botting again, even on public spawns

[mave]

got deleted on some bot rp that was played manually all the time till 150+, then started to bot this char and got deleted after 8 days of botting, kinda strange

but, did any1 that got deleted used this tibia authenticator token?

[Jesseh]

got deleted on some bot rp that was played manually all the time till 150+, then started to bot this char and got deleted after 8 days of botting, kinda strange

but, did any1 that got deleted used this tibia authenticator token?

I use it,no deletes here

[Runebar]

1. Ban Date? 20/05/15
2. Ever Used Other Bot? No
3. Server Type? Optional
4. Used MC? Yes/ - Tibia MC
5. Minimized Tibia Client? Yes
6. How Many Bot Chars On The Account? 2
7. Botting Places? - bear thais
8. Botting Time? - 8 hours day
9. Mass Reported? Low Probability

[Jesseh]

I guess it could be useful to add this here. I asked DarkstaR from Xenobot what did he think about server sided detection methods for MMORPG (some papers I posted here some time ago) and he answered:

Yes, I think Tibia is using sever-sided heuristics (logistic regression or even ANNs) to detect bots. XenoBot stands up to this in many ways: timing randomization (healing and such) and walking randomization (nodes and weak nodes) are two of the major ways. Other things that make XenoBot safer is the prevention of absurdly fast actions (no other bots do this), lack of an after-death relogger (I often state my reasons for this), and a very human-like spell shooter (sometimes casting when exhausted, sometimes shooting a less-optimal GFB, sometimes trying to shoot through walls; all of these things are never done by other bots).

Little variations in all of these actions steeply degrades the integrity of ML-base detection algorithms. This is because the ML-based heuristics used in bot detection are designed for one purpose: classification. Typically, for this implementation, there are two classifications: bots and non-bots. Because XenoBot behaves differently than other bots, it adds a lot of noise to the "bot" classification during training and makes it hard to select from prime components, even when using certain types of feature selection such as PCA or random forest. Not to mention, XenoBot is much smaller (user-wise) than WindBot, so CipSoft would likely optimize their training set to improve their classification of Windbot, not XenoBot.

Of course, there's an alternative. Their classification engine might have many outputs: non-bot, XenoBot, WindBot, iBot, and BBot. In this case, however, the problem becomes much harder. For each new classification, you double the amount of nodes and synapses in the network (I'm assuming they use an ANN, here, as the features wouldn't fit well with logistic regression). That means: training time is exponentially harder, as the network must be fine-tuned using multiple rounds of feedback; processing takes more time, as the network has far more connections to evaluate; and detection has a higher false-positive rate, as you increase the chance of mis-classification for every class you have.

Of course, this is all speculative and highly summarized to be at least somewhat digestible for an audience that is not well-versed in machine learning or computational neuroscience. In the general sense, though, the assumptions herein are correct, and I stand by these reasons for why XenoBot is better at resisting detection than other bots (namely: WindBot).

Not caring much about xeno > wind discussion, I think it's a very valuable input from someone who is very knowledgeable in bot programming and machine learning.

His info is in line with things I propagate on this forums, about randomizing, which should have a bit more focus on people avoiding deletion.

Would love to know Lucas Terra and other programmers opinion too.

Let's try to understand a bit more.

[botekplotek]

Ban Date? 23/05/15
Ever Used Other Bot? No
Server Type? Optional
Used MC? Yes/ - No
Minimized Tibia Client? No
How Many Bot Chars On The Account? 1
Botting Places? - dwarf kazordoon
Botting Time? - start today 6h ago and delete
Mass Reported? noone there :S
I create that acc like year ago up to 30+ lev now i wana bot but ye fucking cipsoft delete affer 6h botting :s

[ozzix]

I guess it could be useful to add this here. I asked DarkstaR from Xenobot what did he think about server sided detection methods for MMORPG (some papers I posted here some time ago) and he answered:



Not caring much about xeno > wind discussion, I think it's a very valuable input from someone who is very knowledgeable in bot programming and machine learning.

His info is in line with things I propagate on this forums, about randomizing, which should have a bit more focus on people avoiding deletion.

Would love to know Lucas Terra and other programmers opinion too.

Let's try to understand a bit more.

apart from the first paragraph (which is him doing xeno praise) containing atleast 1 lie in every sentence, I do agree its interesting to see his take in cip's work in dealing with botters

[Tribullus]

Ok guys, there is one thing that I need to share.

After hunting for 8~9 hours without stop (only got kicked after 1h due high ping) at Lion's Rock with @mistgun free script, I came back and started to look my EK hunting there...

Than I noticed that every fucking monster got black HP before die (except when my char cast exori gran while they got low hp etc.).

All the ancient scarabs and roaring lions went to 1~8 HP before die..
Then I thought "WTF?" and immediately closed the bot and did some random actions like boss checking etc.

This happened 2 weeks ago and I'm still safe, but now I'm free account, so I'm a little retired.

[mistgun]

my friend has the same, he was hunting ghostland and he saw like 8 ghouls with black hp nearby, then bot killed them and after that he get delete