Discussion: Botting Risks, Tips and Deletions

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Originally Posted by Monkica

all new acc are banned within 3 days
always use new ip for create acc ...

any tips ? else othere 10 acc safe . facc/pacc

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use 1 new ip to create each acc.

use only "trusted emails", like gmail, outlook, yahoo, etc.

don't use "disposable emails".

don't create more than 2 chars on the same account.

good luck,

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Originally Posted by Orimorfus

I guess it's slightly more risky, I bot at least 30 mc all the time and didn't get deleted on any important acc since a year~ ,but i guess it's not wise to login all mcs at once, I am making small breaks 10-25min

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How many character are you botting in 1 account , plese say on FACC and PACC accounts ??

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Originally Posted by mgula

How many character are you botting in 1 account , plese say on FACC and PACC accounts ??

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facc and pacc, 2 to 4 chars, mostly 4 chars per acc 24/7

update: CipSoft is creating a "black list" with all "easy to create emails" (all that don't need cell number to create), and is starting to delete accounts created using these emails (even emails that are not "disposable emails")

they will let you create the account, but after a few hours/1day it is deleted, even if you don't use bot on those accounts (Tested and I can reproduce this anytime).

now we really need to use gmail/outlook/yahoo...

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Originally Posted by shonflyn

update: CipSoft is creating a "black list" with all "easy to create emails" (all that don't need cell number to create), and is starting to delete accounts created using these emails (even emails that are not "disposable emails")

they will let you create the account, but after a few hours/1day it is deleted, even if you don't use bot on those accounts (Tested and I can reproduce this anytime).

now we really need to use gmail/outlook/yahoo...

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Even when u make them from other ip? @shonflyn

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Originally Posted by shonflyn

update: CipSoft is creating a "black list" with all "easy to create emails" (all that don't need cell number to create), and is starting to delete accounts created using these emails (even emails that are not "disposable emails")

they will let you create the account, but after a few hours/1day it is deleted, even if you don't use bot on those accounts (Tested and I can reproduce this anytime).

now we really need to use gmail/outlook/yahoo...

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I tested it also, and i got other results, most disposable emails are blocked anyway
but... i might use other mails than you have tested
btw. cipsoft tend to delete acc that you have never logged in before, it happened to me with gmail , yahoo and other mails too, imho following any botter pattern on low lvls is a lottery even when you do it full manually

edit: made some research and found this https://www.textmagic.com/free-tools...ree-sms-online
you can use those phone numbers to make emails

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Originally Posted by Chip Gold

Even when u make them from other ip? @shonflyn

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Yes, even creating 1 char / ip

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@Orimorfus
First they need to find "many people" using bot with that "unknown email".

Then, cip will "mass delete" everyone that created accounts using this email on the last month/months.

After this "email mass del", whenever you try to create an account using this e-mail domain, the account will be deleted after "1 business day".

(of course they do not know all emails yet, but Cip is getting smarter since the last 3 months)

About disposable mails: They are not blocking "new" disposable emails (only old ones are blocked to create), they will let you create your character and then delete it after a few hours (and sometimes they are using it to track your ip and see all chars online).

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Originally Posted by shonflyn

Yes, even creating 1 char / ip

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@Orimorfus
First they need to find "many people" using bot with that "unknown email".

Then, cip will "mass delete" everyone that created accounts using this email on the last month/months.

After this "email mass del", whenever you try to create an account using this e-mail domain, the account will be deleted after "1 business day".

(of course they do not know all emails yet, but Cip is getting smarter since the last 3 months)

About disposable mails: They are not blocking "new" disposable emails (only old ones are blocked to create), they will let you create your character and then delete it after a few hours (and sometimes they are using it to track your ip and see all chars online).

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i guess you are wrong,
can you tell me what site or domains did you use to creat accs? i will compare it with mine accs, and sorry if I feel like fighting with you but I just want to compare facts, I have done quite big research over deletions, over 1k accounts deleted already and I plan to spread the stats towb community when I'm done with it
btw. there is plenty disposable e-mails that generate random domain so even if youre right( and i doubt it ) it isn't a big deal for us, and I don't feel like they would put effort into such detection when they can do it in many other ways

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Originally Posted by Orimorfus

i guess you are wrong,
can you tell me what site or domains did you use to creat accs? i will compare it with mine accs, and sorry if I feel like fighting with you but I just want to compare facts, I have done quite big research over deletions, over 1k accounts deleted already and I plan to spread the stats towb community when I'm done with it
btw. there is plenty disposable e-mails that generate random domain so even if youre right( and i doubt it ) it isn't a big deal for us, and I don't feel like they would put effort into such detection when they can do it in many other ways

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sent a pvt msg, go and test

create 1 character on each domain (using different ips for each), wait until Monday or Tuesday.

@shonflyn @Orimorfus
Definitely not worth to create accounts on 5minutesemails like 10minutemail.com, instantemailaddress.com etc
I started boting few months ago. I don't remember emails right now but lets say for example that I created 2 accounts (including not boted banker) on two emails from example domain SUPERmail.xyz and I created three accounts from EXTRAmail.xyz.
I boted without hardcore for 2 weeks maybe then I quit, so for sure I wasn't cipsofts target number 1 :), now I'm starting again and I can see that banker and another bot from SUPERmail.xyz are deleted. So apparently SUPERmail should not be used and EXTRAmail is ok but Im sure they will block it when they spot it. Its against tibia rules to use disposable email so its obvious that they will update their list of forbiden emails from time to time. Some domains are blocked already and you simply can't create account on it. But thing is that there are new instant mail domains every day because many services, games etc bans them so ppl use new ones.
Your stats are good idea but if cipsoft isn't 100% stupid they adapt and change their methods constantly so stats might become inaccurate.

It's not very hard, just don't use disposable emails. There are 99999 popular and respected web pages on the internet that allows you to create mail account. Of course if you want to automate full afk 24/7 creation of 1000 noobchars then you have a problem :)
Cheers.

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I deleted info about banned chars from my notepad but I see that the ones that exists till now are emails [email protected]
but when I go to foxja.com its some Chinese page so I have no idea how the hell I created emails there. But its dispozeable for sure because its listed here: https://www.torvpn.com/en/disposable-email

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Originally Posted by gondogando

@shonflyn @Orimorfus
Definitely not worth to create accounts on 5minutesemails like 10minutemail.com, instantemailaddress.com etc
I started boting few months ago. I don't remember emails right now but lets say for example that I created 2 accounts (including not boted banker) on two emails from example domain SUPERmail.xyz and I created three accounts from EXTRAmail.xyz.
I boted without hardcore for 2 weeks maybe then I quit, so for sure I wasn't cipsofts target number 1 :), now I'm starting again and I can see that banker and another bot from SUPERmail.xyz are deleted. So apparently SUPERmail should not be used and EXTRAmail is ok but Im sure they will block it when they spot it. Its against tibia rules to use disposable email so its obvious that they will update their list of forbiden emails from time to time. Some domains are blocked already and you simply can't create account on it. But thing is that there are new instant mail domains every day because many services, games etc bans them so ppl use new ones.
Your stats are good idea but if cipsoft isn't 100% stupid they adapt and change their methods constantly so stats might become inaccurate.

It's not very hard, just don't use disposable emails. There are 99999 popular and respected web pages on the internet that allows you to create mail account. Of course if you want to automate full afk 24/7 creation of 1000 noobchars then you have a problem :)
Cheers.

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I deleted info about banned chars from my notepad but I see that the ones that exists till now are emails [email protected]
but when I go to foxja.com its some Chinese page so I have no idea how the hell I created emails there. But its dispozeable for sure because its listed here: https://www.torvpn.com/en/disposable-email

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There's nothing in the rules that says you're not allowed to use temporary mail sites. I also hugely doubt that any temporary email site is the reason for your deletions. In reality, they might use it as a first-stage detection mechanism, so anyone using guerrilla mail, supermail, extramail, etc will be observed to see if they are botting, but they cannot and would not delete you only for using a certain email domain.

Personally, I have a set of domains of my own which I use. I even have a Linux box set up at home which hosts all my mail servers. I'll soon be transitioning to run my main mailing accounts from it. It's much safer that way, since if they do use email domain as a "first sign" of botting, they are unlikely to add a custom domain to that list.

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Originally Posted by XtrmJosh

There's nothing in the rules that says you're not allowed to use temporary mail sites. I also hugely doubt that any temporary email site is the reason for your deletions. In reality, they might use it as a first-stage detection mechanism, so anyone using guerrilla mail, supermail, extramail, etc will be observed to see if they are botting, but they cannot and would not delete you only for using a certain email domain.

Personally, I have a set of domains of my own which I use. I even have a Linux box set up at home which hosts all my mail servers. I'll soon be transitioning to run my main mailing accounts from it. It's much safer that way, since if they do use email domain as a "first sign" of botting, they are unlikely to add a custom domain to that list.

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thats not true, they deleted even fair accounts with those mails, today i made 75 accs using .mswork domain and all accs are deleted even when i didnt start to login on them yet XD and I made every acc using different ip

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Originally Posted by XtrmJosh

There's nothing in the rules that says you're not allowed to use temporary mail sites.

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Cipsoft don't care about their own rules anymore, since Guido and Stephan left cipsoft they are doing what they want, even if it is against their own rules.

Examples:

1 - Hundreds of people who have never used bots are deleted every month by their "automated tool" and have to complain by email to "maybe" receive the character back (example: Maurolkit deleted and undeleted).

2 - I created some characters using an "unknown" email, all deleted, even those that never used bot... Then I tested the same email on another computer, I created one account and get lvl 8 using my hands, no bot instaled, used an IP that never used bot to create and login, nothing wrong, the next day it was deleted.

3 - One of my accounts was banned for speaking at the forum that "selling tibia items out of the game is Legal, u just can not advertise it in the game" .... it IS LEGAL, but I was banned, you know why? "Influencing people to use BOT". LOL


ps: I was able to "undelete" one of my bank accounts complaining by email, because they saw that it was not a disposable email, lol.

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Originally Posted by shonflyn

Cipsoft don't care about their own rules anymore, since Guido and Stephan left cipsoft they are doing what they want, even if it is against their own rules.

Examples:

1 - Hundreds of people who have never used bots are deleted every month by their "automated tool" and have to complain by email to "maybe" receive the character back (example: Maurolkit deleted and undeleted).

2 - I created some characters using an "unknown" email, all deleted, even those that never used bot... Then I tested the same email on another computer, I created one account and get lvl 8 using my hands, no bot instaled, used an IP that never used bot to create and login, nothing wrong, the next day it was deleted.

3 - One of my accounts was banned for speaking at the forum that "selling tibia items out of the game is Legal, u just can not advertise it in the game" .... it IS LEGAL, but I was banned, you know why? "Influencing people to use BOT". LOL


ps: I was able to "undelete" one of my bank accounts complaining by email, because they saw that it was not a disposable email, lol.

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1. That happens far less than you think it does.

2. How many is "some" accounts? If they will gain an average of 5 accounts per day from, for example, gmail accounts, then suddenly they will gain 500 accounts in 1 day all using gmail, it's obvious that most of those are bots. If someone will create a new account, they will most likely login immediately because why would they be creating it otherwise? So, if suddenly 500 accounts are created, only 4 of them are logged into, then yeah, they will delete them, because it's obvious as fuck.

3. Well, that's always been the case, even when all 4 founders worked there, people would get banned and they would revoke the ban afterwards because it's invalid. If you'd complained, it would've been revoked. The difference now is that it happens more because they don't have GMs to moderate statement reports and such, so those who are moderating them are having to work faster and less consistently than before.

Yeah, most people have had chars "undeleted", Maurolkit was a known botter for some time, if memory serves, but they probably couldn't satisfy themselves that the ban was justified when they were contacted about it.

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Originally Posted by XtrmJosh

There's nothing in the rules that says you're not allowed to use temporary mail sites...

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Well I didn't read the rules, I don't really care about them obviously, otherwise I would not use windbot :D

But I made a simple test.
1. Opened http://10minutemail.com/ and it generated [email protected]
2. Opened https://secure.tibia.com/account/?su...=createaccount
3. Put this email into Email field and move focus (click on other textbox)

Message is: This email address cannot be used to create a Tibia account. Please enter another email address!

You will see that there is a ajax validation on this field. You can't create account with this mail. It's forbidden. if you type any other address from this domain like [email protected] it will still show error. If you change domain and use [email protected] or [email protected] there will be no error. So clearly they don't want disposable emails. Clearly they have some black list and if they are not dumb 100% they must extend it constantly.

So guys make some effort and use legit emails :P

@XtrmJosh
I created like 60 accounts / day (divided into 20 different email domains).

I had like 1600 accounts deleteds in april (total).

And like 400 in march.

I had many chances to test what works and what delete my characters.

I am here in the forum only to help with information based on my testes, I don't need to answer those who do not believe, I always test before posting.

At the moment I can say that I know ALL the methods of ban and how to avoid most (some are impossible to avoid because they are manual checks).

From this moment on, I will not answer "unbelievers", I'll just post new information and ignore who "quote" me, I'm a massbotter, and I know what I'm talking about..

Cya...

@shonflyn
dude if you know all the methods then post them, let us be happy massbotters too.

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Originally Posted by XtrmJosh

There's nothing in the rules that says you're not allowed to use temporary mail sites. I also hugely doubt that any temporary email site is the reason for your deletions. In reality, they might use it as a first-stage detection mechanism, so anyone using guerrilla mail, supermail, extramail, etc will be observed to see if they are botting, but they cannot and would not delete you only for using a certain email domain.

Personally, I have a set of domains of my own which I use. I even have a Linux box set up at home which hosts all my mail servers. I'll soon be transitioning to run my main mailing accounts from it. It's much safer that way, since if they do use email domain as a "first sign" of botting, they are unlikely to add a custom domain to that list.

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Well, They do mass delete everyone who makes accs via those sites, both non botted and botted, or even not logged in chars, and they do delete accs made via a personal domain aswell if a single char can be tied to botting/massbotting

if u use any trash 10 min mails for create acc u will be banned faster then 2 days

I now use a trusted mail like gmail hotmail etc.

20 facc acc's 2 months safe :)

@SuNe
does client sends info with some unique client id or PID?

some strange deletions are happening to my farm and I guess they can track massbotters using client lifetime
I bot 24/7 with selfmade highly randomized scripts, usually 4-6 accs with 1char/client and everything was fine before I managed to make it 100% afk (really 100%), so obviously I wasn't closing my clients for long time, sometimes even 30days straight
I was wondering why big part of my farm is beeing deleted when some accs remain untouched with same script ,pattern etc. Today I realized that cipsoft deleted only accounts that were running on clients with long lifetime and I came to clonclusion that maybe thats the problem and cipsoft is checking that
I can't imagine what else could cause deletions here to be honest

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Originally Posted by Orimorfus

@SuNe
does client sends info with some unique client id or PID?

some strange deletions are happening to my farm and I guess they can track massbotters using client lifetime
I bot 24/7 with selfmade highly randomized scripts, usually 4-6 accs with 1char/client and everything was fine before I managed to make it 100% afk (really 100%), so obviously I wasn't closing my clients for long time, sometimes even 30days straight
I was wondering why big part of my farm is beeing deleted when some accs remain untouched with same script ,pattern etc. Today I realized that cipsoft deleted only accounts that were running on clients with long lifetime and I came to clonclusion that maybe thats the problem and cipsoft is checking that
I can't imagine what else could cause deletions here to be honest

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thats how it works
http://i.imgur.com/jC1eXil.png

Little update: cip are now tracking ips with many chars online much more often.


good luck to all.

Last weak i get delete on ek 280. The strange thing is that char was free acc and never log in at last 2 months

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Originally Posted by shonflyn

Little update: cip are now tracking ips with many chars online much more often.


good luck to all.

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There is a new message on client "Your gaming session is attached to a different IP address", I got it while switching chars on my account. All of them that had this were deleted.

Guys, do you recommend the use of windbot? I just have one character, and want to use the bot only for few hours (max 6h), Im really afraid to use. because i dont want to lost my char. Im thinking to bot my char on banuta, deeplings, elder wyrms and asura palace.


What are you think about this.


Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Orimorfus

@SuNe
does client sends info with some unique client id or PID?

some strange deletions are happening to my farm and I guess they can track massbotters using client lifetime
I bot 24/7 with selfmade highly randomized scripts, usually 4-6 accs with 1char/client and everything was fine before I managed to make it 100% afk (really 100%), so obviously I wasn't closing my clients for long time, sometimes even 30days straight
I was wondering why big part of my farm is beeing deleted when some accs remain untouched with same script ,pattern etc. Today I realized that cipsoft deleted only accounts that were running on clients with long lifetime and I came to clonclusion that maybe thats the problem and cipsoft is checking that
I can't imagine what else could cause deletions here to be honest

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I made a thread about this somewhere. It would be great if windbot allows you to open tibia client (and connect windbot to it of course).
I have full afk script which is reloging more than 10 chars 24/7 and I'm afraid too because if cipsoft is not 100% dumb they can easily detect that this client is running for 1000 hours and 10 different accounts logs in and out all the time.

Of course this is what I'm afraid of, maybe windbot team has everything figured out and you know for sure that there is no uid of client instance sent to cipsoft? Anyway cipsoft can add this anytime they want.

For now I'm trying to restart all opened clients every 12 or 24 but still it must look crazy in cipsoft logs if they collect this data.

Edit: this would also solve issues that people have when they can't reconnect after server kick, you could simply restart client.

i also got my own farm, many of the chars got deleted since 3 weeks but some are intouched. and yes they hunted mostly same spawn. It started to happen to me from alphabetical worlds like, beneva, then candia then celesta, then harmonia then we gonna see, I gave no fuck and when i had no stamina on 1 of my char i used to put next on his spot. before i had only few SINGLE deletions during 2-3 years. (over this time I changed my motherboard, and ssd, did only 1 format after the new things come)

as shonflyn said they might be checking ip track little more than before even if u got variable ip address

would be awesome if tibia client attached with windbot could work with cipsoft servers like TOR.

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Originally Posted by RoxZin xD

There is a new message on client "Your gaming session is attached to a different IP address", I got it while switching chars on my account. All of them that had this were deleted.

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I had that on my main account for 2 weeks and now that message is gone. My account is still alive.

I got deleted on a 60 ED few months back when I was botting 6 accounts on same pc, different registration, all accounts paid with same credit card.
I was botting tomb with the ED and it poffed and client closed.
The remaining 5 accounts are still going from day to day, although I'm trying to maximum 2 bot clients and 1 client I play manually on.

Edit; worth mentioning is that all of those accounts were using the same scripts.
Dawnport 2-14
Mistrock Cyclops 14-35
Stone Tomb -3 35-60
Water Elementals 60-80

I was making SD chars.

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Originally Posted by RoxZin xD

There is a new message on client "Your gaming session is attached to a different IP address", I got it while switching chars on my account. All of them that had this were deleted.

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Are you running a proxy? I've gotten this same message, but usually right when I re-log accounts after starting up a proxy. When I don't use a proxy I never get this message.

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Originally Posted by teddymang

Are you running a proxy? I've gotten this same message, but usually right when I re-log accounts after starting up a proxy. When I don't use a proxy I never get this message.

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No I don't use proxies. That must've been coincidence tho, it was when the US servers were down for the whole day

That error message happens if your IP address changes mid-session. Someone was talking about it a few days ago (maybe even on this thread), and he was on mobile network which had some insanely short lease time.

how much cipsoft takes to reply an e-mail? got deleted and emailed in a noob account, the only one. wtf. had a internet kick and had to restart my router, when i came back it was deleted, guess reconnect.

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Originally Posted by Hiyagi

how much cipsoft takes to reply an e-mail? got deleted and emailed in a noob account, the only one. wtf. had a internet kick and had to restart my router, when i came back it was deleted, guess reconnect.

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If you're not connected to the internet, reconnect script isn't going to get you deleted. Are you sure your net actually died and you didn't just get kicked because of deletion, assume your net was down, restart router and notice?

CIP usually reply in 1-2 days...

100% sure, i had to restart because my computer stopped to receive the Router Signal and wasn't connected to any when i get back (40 seconds later) account or password incorrect error in console.

Btw: my character appeared online in Tibia.com but clicking in him page says, Character doesn't exist. Checked e-mail and got it.

Ysterday i make 10 chars
The first 1 char "log in" and the last 10 char "never log in" banned, rest of them still alive :)

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Originally Posted by spodniarz

Ysterday i make 10 chars

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Maybe that's why they got deleted mate :) Don't create more than 1-3 acc per day and maybe you will be fine.

I have a question, I never got pacc char deleted. What happens with tibia coins that are on the account? They are gone? If I have 200$ or 2000$ worth tibia coins they can simply delete it?
And another question, did you ever get deleted with some large amount of tibia coins on the acc or maybe with large amount of pacc days?

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Originally Posted by gondogando

Maybe that's why they got deleted mate :) Don't create more than 1-3 acc per day and maybe you will be fine.

I have a question, I never got pacc char deleted. What happens with tibia coins that are on the account? They are gone? If I have 200$ or 2000$ worth tibia coins they can simply delete it?
And another question, did you ever get deleted with some large amount of tibia coins on the acc or maybe with large amount of pacc days?

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They send coins in special royal bundle gift box :D

@gondogando
of course they are deleted with character

x2 accounts this week but i know why this second time... spamming abilities even alone in cave, that's why i got, i was using a script for 30 with a 17 and forgot to take them off of healing, at 20 tried to spam exura gran in cave (Helheim) and for that exhausting and repetitive action got deleted, or i hope so it was. Btw, just my premium accounts has been deleted, FACC are alive, damn cipsoft. But i guess was because the exhaust and no one reported me, i bot in empty spawns.

Yesterday I made 19 accounts, one for each nonpvp server, with 3 characters on each account.

I never logged in or botted on any of the accounts

The next morning, even though they were never used, they were all deleted, along with the 10 accounts I had made previously over the last week.

So I guess it's important to not-make many accounts in a small amount of time, since it's convenient that they are all deleted, even ones that are not used.

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Originally Posted by Heterogentleman

Yesterday I made 19 accounts, one for each nonpvp server, with 3 characters on each account.

I never logged in or botted on any of the accounts

The next morning, even though they were never used, they were all deleted, along with the 10 accounts I had made previously over the last week.

So I guess it's important to not-make many accounts in a small amount of time, since it's convenient that they are all deleted, even ones that are not used.

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It happen when you use the same ip for create several accounts, try to use a proxy or make just a few accounts once a day.