100% with u Hultin, I guess it works like this too, or atleast I hope xD
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Originally Posted by Hultin
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100% with u Hultin, I guess it works like this too, or atleast I hope xD
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Originally Posted by Hultin
If you mean the simulation part, I can assure you this is true. Please feel free to ask our amazing botgod (read, Lucas terra) if you doubt me. The bit about deletion is just speculation, albeit not without some clues but we haven't, and will not, get conclusive evidence unless cipsoft tells us. yes, my tounges a tad brown ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Murderih
"Being deleted has, most people think, little to nothing to do with the bot, but more with the pattern of online times, player reports and or buggy scripts, Buggy scripts is easy to avoid if the scripter takes the necessary steps to prevent it"Quote:
Originally Posted by Hultin
No doubt this is one of the reasons many ppl get deleted, like saying hi 30000x in game chat or so on....
This changed for everybody now, if you get caught you are deleted on the same time.
Nah, before you were most likely to be banned because you use a bot, now you are most likely to be deleted because you have x reports on your account doesn't matter if you bot or not.
Nope. Never used Xeno. Regardless of whether or not a bot is injected into the client (which by the way does not IN ANY WAY necessarily mean sent packets will be altered), the pattern and frequency by which a computer program will run is easy to detect. Humans make errors. Humans do things at different times. The variability with which a human sends packets is MUCH larger than the variability of a bot. The bottom line is that if Cip cares to know, they can find out in two seconds, injected or non-injectedQuote:
Originally Posted by Hultin
The reality is that they CHOOSE to ignore it unless other players "force their hand" by mass reporting or something
Cipsoft could fix the botting issue in a matter of days if they chose to. they simply let you
Honestly, everyone here is just guessing, so let's just calm down and not pretend we're the master of the truth.
This is not religion, so calm your tits.
keep on Botting....
Most of us havent even taken a single lvl ourself. If you get deleted, create a new character. I mean we even have scripts for doing quests!:D
I wont stop doesnt matter how often i get deleted.
If you dont want to waste to much i suggest you to make Bank chars where you put your money on. (differnt registration than your bot accounts)
also buy some 100+ Chars and massive bot them.
peace
You were discussing networking like a baws without knowing what you were talking about. This I do agree with though, I've long asked how come they've not deleted every botter running scripts by BUgWT or others (meaning, those who are used by many people at the same time). It is technically possible for a human, and I know some who are albeit for shorter periods, as a bot (Read, mainly hunting pharao rares)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sub Zero
Even if you say hi x3000000 you dont get deleted, just banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murderih
No body knows how their deletion tool work. But as midnight said if you dont want to get deleted dont bot (and theres even a chance to get deleted by mass-reports)
So you can:
a) Try to bot with brain, not many hours and with good scripts. And pray to God
b) Burn your stamina and pray to God also.+
next asnwer cm's : There are a number of projects we work on with different teams at any time. We also work on the ones you mentioned. The new client is just one example for such a project, another would be the fight against bots or the server merges. The merges will come this year.
loool , they rlly want delete all botters :O
Hah. Yeah, I usually set my script to stop hunting at 34 hours stamina cuz im on a pretty high level, precious char to me. I think if you set yourself to bot NO MORE than 6 hrs/day and bot spawns you know are usually empty (or spwans where newbies can't see you cuz they would get insta killed) you can greatly lower the odds of a ban. but as raphael said, we mostly just guess :PQuote:
Originally Posted by senz
I think it comes down to common sense. I've got accts i dont give a shit about and bot 24/7. Then i've got accts i care about, so if i do bot them, i try to make it seem much more like natural play. I haven't been banned on a single acct since the beginning of neobot, so idk XD (*knocks on wood!*)
I don't think it REALLY matters all too much if multiple people are using one script, because there will still be some variation in where the player stands at different times, etc. It is similar path, yes, but this is not enough to ban for. Especially when the scripts have lots of options and probably not everyone chooses to hunt same parts of every spawn. it's an interesting thought though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hultin
Ugh. My only two premium accounts got deleted day after day.
I hunt on non pvp and always hunt in spawns that are out of the way and not many people enter because I thought reporting was the main way of getting deleted. Maybe now it only takes 1-2 reports to get deleted b/c of server merges?
The one account I only did 2 chars too! I'm not an active botter and take many days off.
Was all good with wind mods but this is right after I started using wind addons. Probably not correlated though.
Good game.
Will continue botting free accounts to see if it still happens and stop caring about how many people are in my spawn since I get banned anyways :D
My main account even has Tibia NG used on it. I've dodged being banned for several years (guess its not entirely true because my main acct did have 3 30 day bans for botting but no strikes on my account at the time of deletion.) Weird that it happens bang bang two accounts in 3 days.
My account created in 2006 just got insta deleted.
Let's say 10,000 people use bots.
Of this 10,000, 1,500 are deleted in a ban wave.
Of this 1,500 deleted, 1400 are NON-premium
Of the 100 remaining that are premium, 50 used things like magebot which inject and actually alter packets
Of this remaining 50 who only used "safer" bots, 30 botted almost 24/7
of the 20 remaining who botted a reasonable number of hours, 10 were in spawns where they were mass reported
That leaves 10 people out of 10,000 people who did almost everything right, but just didn't make it past the ban wave.
I know these numbers are pulled out of my ass, but the point I'm trying to make here is that if you try actively to be safe, your odds of getting banned will go down massively. Think of it logically and not as if Cipsoft is some mysterious, unpredictable beast. They are perfectly predictable, but .1% (10/10000) of the time, you get fucked. It might be a little higher chance or lower, but the same logic applies
Happy botting.
I call bullshit based on completely made up numbers.
I already conceded that my numbers cannot and will not ever be perfect. The explanation is meant to give a general concept of how bans are broken down by likelihood, and I have no reason to agree my thought process is based on nothing, considering most ban waves over years have shown these characteristics. Yes, a lot of evidence is anecdotal, but its consistent enough that I need not reject my hypothesis :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Raphael
You conceded that your numbers are completely made up but still insisted in taking very strong conclusions based on them.
I don't see any real data presented here to back your ideas.
It's a model, not some physical, mathematical law. I may not have the exact number, but I believe my MODEL to be VERY strong. If you can find the right numbers to plug into that model, or if perhaps we could clearly define the model by a function (which we can never really do), then you can get the proper percent chance of ban as an output. You are simply criticizing my inputs and overlooking the model, which i would gladly take criticism on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raphael
I simply think the model is based on data we don't have. It's pure speculation. I've never seen any statistics on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sub Zero
And to come and claim this is the "RIGHT" way to see things, when all you have is speculation based on randomly made up data, feels like bullshit to me.
Just to clarify: I don't expect (although it would be great) that you conduct a thorough statistic analysis of the ban, but anything that at least shows your numbers are not completely nonsense. Like, in your numbers you propose 14 out of every 15 accounts banned is free account. Anything that shows that, let's say, more than half of them are free account would support your cause. Completely made up data won't.
From a statisticians point of view, you can have great data and shit model to run it through, and you can have shit data but a great idea of how to model something. Maybe my Econometrics course has got me thinking too much about statistics xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Raphael
Well, you need data to back your model. Else it's just another model.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sub Zero
Just to clarify: I don't expect (although it would be great) that you conduct a thorough statistic analysis of the ban, but anything that at least shows your numbers are not completely nonsense. Like, in your numbers you propose 14 out of every 15 accounts banned is free account. Anything that shows that, let's say, more than half of them are free account would support your cause. Completely made up data won't.
For a sharp guy like you, I think you would have preferred I build a model and not input any hypothetical data, but only variables. In the end, I call it the right way to THINK about deletions because that is what it is at this point; a model, a way to consider things. I put numbers because for the average tibia player, I don't think they would care to think of things in terms of variables. They prefer to have something they can see and understand quick xD but i still believe a model LIKE THIS ONE is pretty spot on. We can only ever isolate for the most important variables, otherwise there would be infinite things to consider.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raphael
The largest problem is response bias. You got people who say they've been banned when the haven't and visa versa. Anyways, I think if more players THINK about it on these terms, it can help them.
5/5 accounts deleted since I joined WB
What about using healer only :( ?
Pd: no hands plox
Oh yeah sure we'll believe a guy with 1 post that didn't even buy bot. Yeah, sure...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bernardz
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Everyone will be deleted soon, keep botting and sell your accounts while you can! =DDDDDDD
Can you tell me why you think everyone will be deleted soon?Quote:
Originally Posted by RoxZin xD
cuz he's a little pessimistic beezy :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Bovah
jk <3 roxin.
probably cuz of server merges?
But what does merging servers have I do with botters gettin deleted?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sub Zero
Making servers more and more empty, so when they get merged, they won't be THAT populated and the "fair" players will have some more benefits such as empty caves to hunt.. but what Cip doesn't know is that there isn't manual players anymore, if there are, they're 150-Quote:
Originally Posted by Bovah
Server mergers make servers more populated noobek xDQuote:
Originally Posted by RoxZin xD
Then they delete lots of botters and bam, servers are empty, they merge and you won't have 1000+ players online on every server that was merged. gg cipsoftQuote:
Originally Posted by Sub Zero
haha yeah they will try to merge and delete bots but they will end up with the same result xDQuote:
Originally Posted by RoxZin xD
they know that cant deleted all botters because its will be end of this game.... he have about 10mln euro porfits per year , how much you think botters given ? i thinkt that more than 50 % profits are profits from botters , premium account etc ....
But then people are like "FUCK CIPSOFT THEY DELETED MY LEVEL 200 I WILL MAKE 3 NEW ACCS" and then they give 3x more cash to cipsoft. That's why they delete botters lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Behemoth
so maybe stop paying/botting for one month? lets give them think about us? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RoxZin xD
Btw i am botting like 30 new accounts and none of them deleted but some of my old accounts was deleted so i think youre right. They deleted me like 9 accounts so i make more :)
Sorry for my "inglish" huehue :D
hm this can be true but remember that not all buying premmy . I thinkt that mergers servers can be reason of mass banning but making new acc too , thats true bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoxZin xD
Next 4 account delete. 3 facc and 1 pacc
i only use one pc, but i bot 2 accs, and one i dont bot, becouse there is all my money and etc, there is any risk of these 1 acc that I save my stuff be deleted?
Dont know if cip tracks the ip, and all accounts linked to it...would like to know more about it...
Anyone can help me?