Sorry, bro, but umad?Quote:
Originally Posted by lulokinho
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Sorry, bro, but umad?Quote:
Originally Posted by lulokinho
So much drama, we don't even know if Battleye will work with Windbot , Battleye is usually intended at blocking hacks , e.g. aimhall, wallhack, maphack, etc. A botting program is very hard to detect server-side . One approach that Lucas might take is Virtualization. If botting without injection is so easy to detect, don't you think that all major MMORPG, such as World of Warcraft, that cannot stop botting ingame , would be suing botting companies instead of implementing Battleye , if it was so effective against botting ?
Still, I don't know how much effective it will be, but I'm pretty sure it can bypassed.
It can be bypassed ofc, the problem is how BE works. They are not just a simple anticheat, they also have proactive detection.Quote:
Originally Posted by undernoxox
They will buy windbot, they will detect it once Lucas bypassed it and they will ban EVERYONE at once (delayed banwave) before theyr anticheat start banning 1 by 1 instantly. Thats how they did to R6S, Ark, Arma III, DayZ and many others. They wont simply detect windbot, ban 10 people and let them spread the word so everyone else can stop botting.
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Originally Posted by downloadkct
can't just use some realtime hash check to detect it updating ? prob useless idea but worth a shot
They could just launch bogus updates and corner us into the fear of using the bot when in reality they haven't changed anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orimorfus
The character backup for the upcoming short public test server to prepare the technical integration of BattlEye will be taken tomorrow, February 22, at 10:00 CET. The exact date of the public test will be announced in due time.
They will give us time to update and test the bot, cool.
is it so difficult to reverse engineer the client Tibia and remove the BattleEye ?
every program has its vulnerability.
i'm looking forward to opening my Money Factory, but i'm worried about bots, i hope that's not the end.
Meaby Lucas Terra sey somthing or have some idea to proctect us with cip soft and battleeye. i use my last days windbot days and if somthing not be clear i don't buy next licence.
Lucas should use his crystal ball to see future and tell us :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by saska
http://i.imgur.com/fUeLTFu.jpg
Lucas is going to make an official post soon, But right now he do not have internet at his home.. He is working on this stuff, but i will let him go in to detail with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by saska
BE WORKS !!! LUCAS do not have internet at his home !!!
Great to hear :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SuNe
hsahahahahahahahah you can close the thread now, this post winsQuote:
Originally Posted by pokerowoo
ahaahahahahahahah omfg
:O Its illegal to do reverse engineering on their software, but yeah, they can violate other companies software agreement to make their own software work! That's cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by downloadkct
just got deleted on 2 accounts, and like 6 friends too.. something has already be changed
battleeye won't delete you, it just wont let you log to game with bot,Quote:
Originally Posted by netto_ssa
and it will be added in few weeks (for test phase), for now its just cipsoft doing their deletions,
but yes in past few weeks they are doing much more deletions then before
it will works, till cipsoft bankrupt...
why the hell i would renew 12 paccs? lold!
and im just ONE of the 40% botting cummunity over tibia hehe
still botting atm...=). If they delete me I say bb to CIP ;). TBH which normal thinking human wants to spent thousands of hours to hunt this monotone shit??? Dont they have a job or what.
indeed, fucking boring game
love to bot tho
belive me, there is alot of people who like to play manual and who hate bots.. so dont worry about this, game will be not dead, and if there will be no bots, alot of 100-200 lvls will back to gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Sebbo
I will play manual when i REACH Lvl 1000
About 75-80% of players online are using bot in one way or an other...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mes
I agree with SuNe
I am trying to learn to play with hands, It is going alright but not nearly as fun as with a bot.
How did u calculated that? Obviously u didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuNe
Game will not be dead by any means, as soon as they announced battleye, quite a lot of people decided to come back, even before it is implemented. Check reddit.
Sorry but botters don't support the game, ye you guys buy pacf but it is all from botted gold, you dont spend rl money. And believe me or not there is quite few people who are ready to support cipsoft, by buying a lot of tc every month.
Im just wondering if they will let you to bot for few weeks and then they mass delete all of you, or if they wont let you bot at all. Anyways good luck with tryibg to learn how to play the game.
Thats funny, because i am pretty sure i (and many more botters) would own you with one hand in every game aspect. Ofc there are brs can't do anything manualy, but alot of botters are old hardcore players.Quote:
Originally Posted by revul
How Sune calculated it? Just check online counter after forced client update.
Assumptions. .that is all you have, when u finally grow up, you will learn that you should not assume things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Imba
Ofc you can own me with one hand+ autoheal haha.
You just assumpted my tibia skill yourself, so... grow up.Quote:
Originally Posted by revul
How did i calculate it?Quote:
Originally Posted by revul
Easy, But comparing Tibia's "Who is online" when the bot is down, and later how many are online when bot gets back up.. Then also check Windbot login server to see how many times someone has logged into the bot.
You gets quite clear numbers seeing how many % online that is running an instance of Windbot.
That is ofc not counting everyone who is using f.e Magebot for selfheal and auto looting.
Besides, i do play fully manual on my main account.. I've also played the game since Tibia 5.4.. So i know very well on how to play this game, But thank you.
We can't buy a premium time for Tibia gold.. I mean - some1 need to pay a real money for Coins, so... i cannot agree with it : @revul "Sorry but botters don't support the game, ye you guys buy pacf but it is all from botted gold, you dont spend rl money(...)"
I hope it won't be "valve-time soon". It would be helpful to know something more before the double exp week (would for example help decide if investing in new bot accounts to PG during that time has any sense).Quote:
Originally Posted by SuNe
all they did so far was announcement that they will try to implement battle eye on march 21 to prevent botters from connenting with bots open and a character backup for upcoming test server, nothing to fear yetQuote:
Originally Posted by Czleq
I know :) but I am sure windbot guys have some knowledge from studying the battlethingy in other games that could help guess the future of botting in tibia. And imagine you invest now say tens of kks in PACC and few kks in supplies so you can kickstart your bot army in the double exp time just to find out after investing all the money that unfortunately windbot guys give up - that wouldn't be fun. You'll end up with bunch of 100lvls worth pretty much nothing. On the other hand if they say something like "easy peasy 90% sure we can bypass that thing and make windbot safe" then you can take the calculated risk instead of 'gambling in the blind'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orimorfus
I predict this is the end of any and all cavebotting on a large scale as we have seen for the majority of tibias lifetime. I don't doubt there will be some form of magebot/healbots although less common then today. I have no doubt that if they use battleeye to its full extent then cavebotting is history. For sure there will be thousands of chars sold by botters once it no longer works to bot. The price of kk will rise again slowly as will some rares and items that were easier to acquire due to botters. Tibia doesn't really have that many providers for bots as say CSGO has when it comes to aimbots/wallhacks. There are like 3 acceptable bots for tibia while a game like CSGO has thousands of different cheats. It would be VERY easy for battle eye to prevent any cheating on tibia.
The only future I can see for botting is underground forums with a small client base keeping it hush hush, but I seriously see no way botting will ever be as rampant as it has been to this point.
I'm a long time forum viewer, bot creator, and a professional programmer, and at one time i've used windbot for over a year. I've taken the time to sign up to write something thats up my mind lately, and here it is:
Official statement from Lucas Terra is necessary at this moment informing us what will he do and whats the plan. I dont know why he didnt give one already, and dont give me shit like "he has no internet atm", cuz bot updates happen and this is a business like any other cheat. This is at least worrying, cuz BE could possibly be the end of public cheats and most of (if not all) customers will lose money by your software not working in just few days (!!!).
This is what i, as software engineer and bot creator think about this:
1. some might say that BattlEye is ez to overcome, that there are dozens of tutorials all over the interwebz, but the truth is, 95% of those "backdoors" dont work anymore, and those that work soon will not. The strength of BattlEye is that its updated quite regulary, its individual for each game, and bans in waves. Thats why cave botting in a public cheat will not be possible.
2. cheats will exist, in one form or another but soon enough all cheat creators will give up being beat time after time again and again. You need to understand that cheat provider community for tibia is well after its glory days (hermetic and closed for newcomers, dying inside or even dead already), tpforums is dead for a while, tibiapf is dead from the beggining. There are about 3 existing cheats atm for RL Tibia, thats a very low number (when you look at games like CS:GO, overwatch etc).
3. cheating will still be possible (!!!). By either
- private cheat that cost $500 and license is owned by lucky max 5/10 people, undetectable cuz of being so private and never ending up in BE hands
- writing own open client (that already exists https://github.com/edubart/otclient) but it never will be up to date with new game features etc, still can be used for basic stuff like cavebotting and will propably not need an external program to play, the bot could be build in. This idea is work expensive and propably will not happen ever.
Sum up:
Lucas, we need your statement and plans now asap. If you will keep on being quiet we can asume you will just run with the money and this will be the end. There is a 99% chance that windbot will be blocked even in BE testing stage (as of CM responses in tibia forums).
edit:
another statement from a MAJOR bot provider:
https://www.blackdtools.net/showthre...d-and-bad-news
I agree with 90% of what you say expect the "running with our money" part. Its not his fault this is happening and we have gotten what we paid for until now, this isn't something he could have prevented or prepared for since this will end all cave botting. I do agree he should make a statement though and I'm sure we will get one soon enough. I mean its even to early to say if CIP will want to co-operate fully with this anti cheat. Perhaps they will notice a large drop in revenue and be more mild with the anti cheat. Like they already mentioned on the forum, they wont delete/ban anyone, just block people with bots from playing the game until they disable/remove the bot (which is such a half-arsed and stupid idea if they were serious). I suppose they want to do it like this in the beginning to try and scare/convert as many botters to manual players as possible, before they really start banning and deleting detected cheaters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Owlet
I have learned to never expect anything good from CIP over the years and I'm sure in one way everyone will be disappointed by this anti cheat as well. Even when they do something right they do it half way. Like what you said and I mentioned in my previous post, the only "botting" that we will see will be private among friends or very expensive for a small client base.
Hallo and hmm.. xD
I dont know how to make software or something, I read this post of BlackD and his solutions [ like own client, that going away or don't connect with BE ]. Maybe its possible to create own client like this to win time for new solutions. [ that can be share, but I think when someone share it BE or Cipsoft can get too so it will be blocked, but "DON'T TRY, DON'T WIN" ]
Sorry for my English guys ! :)
cool idea but I don't think it'll be possible because as you know Tibia 10 and flash client both will be dropped alongside with their protocols, and BE has highly-encrypted (as they claim) protocol defense, so I guess that they'll implement it into Tibia 11 and server will only accept new encrypted packets, that's my guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by tostijew
Is lucas going to say something anyday? It's a bit convenient not having internet when things are like now, if you know what i mean...
He is online sometimes u check it on his profil, so he don't will to talk us about this situation. Maybe he gived up and he is crying about cash that he can't make anymore xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Psolar