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Josh as always flawless in the technical analysis ;):cool:
I don't know anything about BE, but I will not be surprised if it causes the end of public bots in Tibia (if they disallow virtualization).
Yes, you can control everything that happens in your computer, but it is not so easy to deal with a program that updates itself specifically to check for your modifications.
That said, I don't expect it to be able to stop people from making private bots.
In my opinion it's a next propaganda from CipSoft, after they deleted Gamemasters they told us they are working about system which detecting botters, does it work well till now? I think they want just to show people which playing manually "they doing something about botters". Most of game got bots and it will not be changed. It's not the end for botters. Thats my few cents :)
Well, you said it just can't be beaten, doesn't that imply it's never gonna be beaten? Just calm down and wait for what will happen imoQuote:
Originally Posted by downloadkct
It means it cant be beaten with the knowledge we have today, atleast thats what i meantQuote:
Originally Posted by kirro
It has been beaten previously and it still is now, The only thing that is available for games protected by battleeye at the moment are private cheats that cost 100 euros per month, There use to be alot of public ones 2 years ago but you needed an undetected script executor, then the scripts got detected, and once that happens you need to start from fresh with a completely different script, and there isn't many available anymore, and thats why they are all private and cost so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by downloadkct
Alot of people don't know what Battle Eye actually does so here is a thread with alot of information from a highly respected person within the arma cheating community who use to create cheats for those games (I used alot of them).
https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/commen...hard_drive_to/ (Information from 2 years ago, its much more advanced now)
So if it actually gets implemented and works correctly, windbot wont survive longer than 6 months as a public bot, And thats why none of the cheat providers bother making cheats for these games, It definitely wont be as simple as updating the bot when they update battle eye like @SuNe said, 1 detection which will happen will put you back on ground zero, its too much effort.
Well, first of all they will start to work with BlackEye in a month, but it could take months to add it,
secondly we have no idea how it will works with tibia (and if it will be able to add it here, they even dont know it yet).
Even there will be no option to pass it for now, there is still solution, move botting into flash client:)
Flash is dead, won't be supported in year or two, so sooner or later CIp is going to take it down, but could give extra time community to find new solutions
Assuming he never wants to abuse this (his anti-cheat allows the server to send arbitrary code for execution on the client, and he can send this to specific clients. He can, on the fly, execute whatever code on your computer he wants, and would easily be able to dump any files from a targeted user, or every user using this mechanism) it won't cause much harm. It's still creepy as hell, but he's probably not pilfering through your hard drive.
holy fucking shit
https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/2771nw/battleye_responds_to_privacy_concerns/
lol theres so much drama
Tibia 10 and flash client will dissapear as a answer from CM in tofficial tibia forumsQuote:
Originally Posted by ninja deruz
The only way we can bot now is using an external machine which interacts with mouse and keyboard, simulating a real human. That would be really expensive tho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Kyi0WNg40Quote:
Originally Posted by okasiones
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Originally Posted by okasiones
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so the solution is to buy a chimp and teach him how to play OK.
No worries people im on it.
first we test Resident Evil 7
http://i.imgur.com/oId6Nks.gif
edit : petco not selling chimps i guess ill go to the jungle for one.
if i paly on bot now if i stop when this system be working i no be delete ?
trolls plaxor
http://i.imgur.com/NnMFhj1.jpg
I work for a company that provides hacks for a game with BE as it's anticheat. And I'm just sitting here laughing because we haven't had a detection wave on BE since we started coding against them.
If that is true, you're always welcome to share knowledge about it =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Steelo
We're already looking into Battleye via other games that got it, since Be have not been released for Tibia yet
ok heloQuote:
Originally Posted by Steelo
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/9f/9f97...af8fd82920.jpg
I think nothing is impossible and CipSoft knows that this will NOT end botting, if you look from past they basically have shown they support and don't care about botters on many different occasions without actually saying it, for example the Video on YouTube bashing tibia with bot and CipSoft made it public, on tibia.com right now it says that they can guarantee no butter will be deleted over much time until this gets fully activated, CipSoft takes FOREVER for everything for example taking forever with the tibia 11 client one might think it's so that bot programmers can fix what they need to make it work for the new client, and now with this BE gonna take much time? Same thing so programmers can try n find a way to beat it, tibia makes SOOO much money off bitters.. and it benefits in everyday we are a necessary evil, if botting goes away CipSoft knows that they will loose ALOT ALOT ALOT of the tibia community, that's why they haven't done ANYTHING about it yet.. I have been botting since FOREVER easily 10+ years... so why in ALL that time did they do nothing about it until now? Cuz CipSoft is smarter then that they know what will happen.. and they know what will happen if this goes tbru and no one can make it get beat on Tibia.com right now they say that they can use this software from now until whenever they feel like not using it so one my think if this goes through and nobody can make a program to beat it and tibia/CipSoft takes a very hard hit and then there more than likely going to remove BE... think about it..
And if they do take a big hit, then what I believe they will do is split the worlds, they will literally make certain game worlds allow using bot and others not using bot, any business men will never take a huge hit like that and specially when the money is there there not just gonna throw awhile SOO much money every year, and say botting ends then the real players are gonna start hating it cuz all the benefits they get from us bitters will NO longer be there prices will SKY ROCKET on EVERYTHING, and then they will start complains about that
Good luck windbot!
It's not the end!
We will win BE!
Tibia is not Tibia without us!
Game companies are funny. They want you to use a thing that can acess your OS kernel freely? If you find an exploit on it you hack a system pretty badly and the best part is. If someone hacks you because of that exploit you can't issue them because you agreed with their terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalisia
Cisoft made 99999 things to stop people from boting, like shit with steam, like client 11 and many others which i don't remember. And what? And i'm boting 30 - 50 mcs all the time. They often delete my characters, but fuck it all xD I'm just selling TCs. I remember when i moved to WB from Ibot, they changed something in client and update of IB was very long, so i moved to WB and i'm still here. All in all after this change in about 2 weeks all bots (even shits like RedBot or something like that) started do work again. So i don't think this BE will change something, maybe we won't bot for a week. I'm Polish so that's no problem for me i will just go and drink vodka all this week.
if the shield system proceed cipsoft will broke, thats a fact, who buy tibia coins in market today? majority bot users
if this BE will make often ban waves like they are doing in other games then botting may be not profitable in tibia anymore
what do you lose if you get banned on cheating in some fps game? ranking points and thats all? then you buy new account and cheat again
but if you lose your characters in tibia that you were making for months/years. it will be big lose cuz fresh account won't make you same profit as 150-300 lvls were doing before
the only thing we can hope is cipsoft will make it same long as they'r doing tibia11 so few years to make it working perfectly
idk what gonna be first
windbot 3 or battleye or half-life 3
@mave boting just for money won't be hard, 3 x 30 knight can make profit like 1 200~ ek, if you know where to bot etc. And about making something works perfectly by cipsoft.... Never heared before xD
yea, but 1x 200rp makes 4x more than ek with same lvl :P I've made some research on hacking forums and there isn't a single cheat that can be considered as safe vs BE. but none of BE protected games had such big botting community as tibia, maybe this is the time when diamond cuts the diamond, In Lucas we trustQuote:
Originally Posted by Artizi
+1, gogoQuote:
Originally Posted by Orimorfus
send message to cip and sey this is not good idea lost meny profit
i want buy new pc to mass bot :(
kkkkkkkkkQuote:
Originally Posted by saska
Tibia is going to bankrupt.
Ppl of my age dont have any time to play. We are old school.
probly 50% or more of premmium account are botters. That is the end for Tibia. For sure!
60k players to 15k players (of course minimum of 3k MC`s)
Trust me, the game is over after March.
They have already announced on the forums that they intend to drop support for it entirely in the near future... Writing a bot for it now would be like writing a story with invisible ink.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninja deruz
Always... The fact is though, what I said is entirely accurate. I've re-read that post on about 5 separate occasions and can only conclude it to be true. There is no way that botting would ever be "impossible". Even if it comes to buying an Arduino and using that with some kernel debugging to gather information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cisco
In reality, what it will come down to is overall detect-ability. Right now the bots can be detected server-side, so being able to detect them client side is not all that useful, it just means the ban rate goes up so chars last less time. If it gets to a point where they are detecting which bits of software are nasty and doing these "sweeping bans" as they used to, only catching everyone instead of some people, then it just means we have to further improve how the bots work to make them less detectable through the old method. The thing is, they are not going to scan and analyse every single person who is playing the game, as the resources required would be insane. What I think they will do is use their existing detection algorithm to find out who is botting. Once they know who is botting from their existing detection, they will look at what software they have running on their PC to try to find the bot itself. Once they find it, they will run some hashing function to get a few "samples" from the bot, then scan all users computers for a binary with that hash. If they find it, they can then delete all of those users. The key fact here is that their old detection system will have to catch the first person in order for the rest of the botters to also be caught. So, the trick would be to create a new, unique bot which cannot be detected by pattern generation - that way the system will never know you exist, so it won't know how to catch you.Quote:
Originally Posted by racoiaws
The external machine in this mechanism really doesn't need to be all that expensive. You could do it with an Arduino for about $20, or with a Raspberry Pi for around $35, or you could use some custom hardware such as the Intel NUC for around $300, or go ham and do it with a desktop Windows PC. It makes absolutely no difference which you use, except that setting up the Arduino will be difficult. The Pi is relatively easy to work with, and someone could easily build a bit of software to make it a lot easier. Generally speaking, though, there is no reason you couldn't achieve exactly the same results using either a virtual machine, an emulator, or a compatibility layer such as Wine.Quote:
Originally Posted by okasiones
People will, as suggested, just stop botting high level accounts. As for WindBot 3, it's basically done but the bugs in it are almost entirely crashes and they are kinda frequent, so it didn't reach release-worthiness in time. It will probably still happen in some form. The logic from it could be applied to almost any of the above mechanisms.Quote:
Originally Posted by mave
They will lose a lot of money but 15k players paying €8 a month is still a metric fuckton of cash. They can also shutdown servers, remember, and they probably will. The company is relatively small and right now undoubtedly turns a large profit. I would also suggest that they have some money set aside ready to carry them through the financial depression, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by skzbr
It's actually only natural, also, that Tibia coins are purchased for in-game cash by botters. They will have to adapt NPC prices and the in-game economy to suit it, if bots don't exist. Try to find me one person willing to kill the mad mage enough times to loot the mage's cap or whatever it is for an addon... Nobody is going to do it because there are 25 waves each time you clean the goo, and the chance of looting it is less than 1.5%, so you have to kill over 1600 waves of shit just to get 1 item... Nobody is going to have enough cash to make it feel worthwhile, and certainly nobody is going to want to clean the place that many times for their own benefit.
I guess you've never bothered to look at their annual financial reports.Quote:
Originally Posted by skzbr
They've literally never made more money in a year than they did in 2015 (their last annual report) - 2016 report probably wont be released for another 11 months.
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Originally Posted by Wesker
hahaha xD
If you only use windbot for autoheal when you teamhunting with your friends? Are you going to be banned aswell??
I NEVER use it with cavebot ONLY for autoheal.
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Originally Posted by skzbr
what a fucking mentality of this kid this is why tibia dont have a a good progress for peoples mentality like this niga
and by the way just my opinion talking about the threads topic. for my opinion nothing is impossible so here we go again tryna figure it out how to fix it up.
Nothing is impossible so it's hard work for the creators of the windbot. And if it is the end what? Even tho theres an end its correct but there is a beginning also, The new beginning of this bot.
My opinion windbot will fix a way to go through the software, but if the software update from scratch with the version that was updated and the person has using the windbot will automatically be banned I do not know how the windbot team will do but it will be difficult, Before it was by update of each tibia that the windbot was updated now if the battleye update of nothing you will be banished this is my opinion.
sorry my bad english google translator :(
Agree 100% with Josh.
I've seen a lot of people blaming me, but I'll bet that not even 10% of you have any higher education (brazilians), majority of braziilians that play Tibia are no-skill (education) , sorry, but this is the reality, and they dont have money. Im brazilin, but i`m engineer and i can do simple math to know that Tibia is over, the game is about to end.
Good luck everyone
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Originally Posted by Josh
Impossible to say. CIP clearly state that any type of software which controls the client in such a way is illegal, so an auto healer could well result in deletion. With battleye, it probably will lead to deletion also.Quote:
Originally Posted by pedrofil
Stop crying, no more botting. Windbot = Shit if you compare to B.E, Lucas is a botter guy, not a FBI hacker/cracker. HE WON'T cheat B.E... GET OVER IT BOTTERS
Fucktard you've been registered to botting forums for 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by lulokinho
/Rosse